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8:12 pm October 9, 2010
| Donovan
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Hi, I’m on the committee to bring Gaylaxicon back to Minneapolis in 2012. Gaylaxicon is a convention that celebrates GLBT speculative fiction–basically a big party for queer geeks and their allies. It changes city from year to year and it’s coming back to Minneapolis in 2012.
I attended the last Minneapolis Gaylaxicon in 2009. When I saw Sofawolf Press in the vendor room, I thought: we need to get more furries here. It makes sense: furries put out a ton of art and fiction that you could definitely classify as speculative or fantasy. On top of that, many folks in the furry community are GLBT or gay-friendly, so why not invite them to Gaylaxicon? Well, I’m now on the convention committee for 2012 and I intend to make that happen.
A little about myself: I’ve been a fan of furry art and fiction for about 8 years. You could even say it changed my life: the web comic Closet Coon finally convinced me I was gay and Associated Student Bodies convinced me to start coming out. My favorite author is Kyell Gold, my favorite furry artist is Zaush and my favorite TV show is Gargoyles. I’m a computer guy by trade and a sound engineer on the side. I’ve never really reached out to the furry community until now but working on this con has been a great excuse to meet new folks of all kinds.
I have the committee’s approval to incorporate furry topics into the con. I plan to create a mini-track of furry programming–maybe 3-5 panels and other events and I will encourage full social integration between the furries and the rest of the con. Making everyone feel comfortable is my #1 priority. Fun is #2.
I don’t know the history of furries in Minnesota, but I know the closest furry convention to us right now is Midwest Furfest in Chicago. So I hope for this to essentially be a mini furry convention right here in the Twin Cities held within the inclusive environment of Gaylaxicon. So my questions are:
1) Does this proposition interest you folks?
2) Do you think Minnesota has a large enough furry community to make this happen?
3) I’ve never been to a furry con so would anyone with experience care to work with me to hash out programming and outreach ideas for this event?
I know 2012 seems like a long ways off, but it’ll come up fast and we’ll be making some big decisions about the convention soon. I want to start working with furries during the early planning stages and not just have their inclusion be an afterthought.
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12:46 am October 10, 2010
| Yarrick
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One problem with this is a number of us are not involved in the GLBT community (a number of furs are actually STRAIGHT ) I don't see how there is a direct connection between the two communities to be honest.
I'd be very careful when trying to mix fandoms in general. This really wouldn't be a fandom but again, it would exclude a great number of people, it could cause some sterotypes to occur as well.
Just my 2 cents.
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11:47 am October 10, 2010
| Donovan
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I'm sorry, my post was insensitive in that I implied that furries are just a GLBT phenomenon. I absolutely understand that that's not the case. The social groundwork I'm trying to lay between Gaylaxicon and furries is not gay, it's geek. I don't have to explain how unfairly ostracized furries are from the rest of the geek community–you only have to log onto the internet to see that. What we want to accomplish at Gaylaxicon is a celebration of all forms of geekdom: sci-fi, fantasy, anime, and furry.
Let me go over some of my inspirations for this idea:
1. Many furry conventions over the past couple decades started out as room parties and programming tracks at sci-fi conventions that simply grew too large, so they spun off into their own furry convention. That's how Midwest Furfest started as well as ConFurence, the very first furry convention. The historical connection between furry fandom and sci-fi fandom is inseparable.
2. A furry short story by Kyell Gold was recently nominated for the Small Press Award by the Washington Science Fiction Association. In response, Gold said: "I'm deeply honored by this nomination. I think it validates what many of us have been saying about the writing in the fandom: that it is getting better and has a place in mainstream SF." Source: http://www.weaselwordsmith.com…..ual-award/
3. As I mentioned, Sofawolf Press appeared in the vendor room of Gaylaxicon 2009. Here’s a pic from that event: http://yfrog.com/5elzvkj They also said, "Nice to be at a local con for once." http://twitter.com/sofawolfpre…..63257357 They publish out of St. Paul.
Furries have always been on the periphery of Gaylaxicon over the years, usually showing up in the vendor room and art show. I think it's time for them to get a real presence and I want MNFurs to be an integral part of that.
I understand the discomfort of furries finding a home at a GLBT convention. But there's also the discomfort that many mainstream geeks feel about furries in genereal. It's unfair, but existential. Gay folks know what it's like to be ostracized and therefore are very inclusive and welcoming themselves–that's why using Gaylaxicon as a means to get a furry convention presence in Minnesota just makes sense.
That's also why we coined the phrase "straight ally" and put them under the GLBT umbrella (they even include the 'A' at the U of MN: http://www.glbta.umn.edu/ ). Straight people are absolutely accepted and encouraged at Gaylaxicon. More than just about any other con, we encourage and celebrate differences. We would love to have more straight people at Gaylaxicon.
As for stereotypes, I know that furries are a very diverse community with a wide range of opinions. The best way to fight stereotypes is to get out there and meet new people–especially non-furries. Paradoxically, a GLBT convention is the best way for furries to get mainstream acceptance, in my opinion. At least it's a start.
It's also a matter of practicality. Is CONvergence going to reach out to Minnesota furries? I'd love them to, but I don't have any connections there. And frankly, I'm not sure they'd be up for it.
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8:35 pm October 10, 2010
| Yarrick
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A few more thoughts from me: I think if you are running a panel at this convention about furries or having a room party with furries as a theme that could work out.
About 2-3 years ago someone DID run a panel about furries at convergence. This is a very small scale thing to get people introduced in another fandom or much broader community that may contain a good number of furs in it, but again my opinion is not to try to convert it, whole or in part, into a "furry event".
Same goes for a room party. You could have people there explain the fandom and maybe have flyers and such for Midwest Furfest or our local group. But I wouldn't try for anything larger at this point.
Start out small and see where it goes. For the first year I'd run a panel or a room party. If it grows and is popular great. I think trying to do more then that for the first year could be flirting with disaster. But thats just me :).
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10:18 pm October 10, 2010
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1) Does this proposition interest you?
For me personally not really. I'm gay but I personally don't see a point when there are already several science fiction cons in this state, and I don't really see the need for a gay specific science fiction con.
2) Do you think MN has a large enough furry community to make it happen?
There are hundreds of furs in this state, however, we mostly don't have the leadership that wants to go in that direction. I guess technically I'm one of the people that helps run the local furmeets and such, but I know lots of others who steer the group cringe at just the mention of a furry convention in this state. Which I don't totally understand but thems the facts.
3) I've never been to a furry con.
It's like a anime con, except for with an anime con everyone is a fan of the anime, where as with a furry con everyone is a fan of eachother. I'd tell you about the programming at a furry con except with as many as I've been to I've never really gone to many of the panels. The panels I've been to have ranged from RC Helicopters to poker to anthropomorphic art. There's also usually a panel on fursuit construction, but given that only about 10% of furries own fursuits, it's not really a proper represention of what furry is all about…
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10:46 pm October 10, 2010
| Donovan
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Just to clarify: Gaylaxicon is not a new con we're starting for the first time just for Minnesota. Rather, it's a yearly con that has been traveling around the US and Canada since 1988: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G…..ylaxicon The North Country Gaylaxians, a local GLBT speculative fiction book club, rebid to have the con back in Minnesota in 2012 after a successful 2009 convention. So Gaylaxicon is definitely going to happen in Minnesota in 2012.
So there can't be any "start small and grow bigger" aspect to the furry presence at Gaylaxicon–it's a one-time thing since a different group will run it next year in a different state. But I can take a hint: you don't think the local community wants a con presence in Minnesota. I'll aim for a single panel then. If anyone thinks they might attend Gaylaxicon and wants to host the panel, let me know. It could definitely be an opportunity to expand MNFurs.
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3:20 pm October 11, 2010
| Pepper
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Aerak said:
1) Does this proposition interest you?
For me personally not really. I'm gay but I personally don't see a point when there are already several science fiction cons in this state, and I don't really see the need for a gay specific science fiction con.
2) Do you think MN has a large enough furry community to make it happen?
There are hundreds of furs in this state, however, we mostly don't have the leadership that wants to go in that direction. I guess technically I'm one of the people that helps run the local furmeets and such, but I know lots of others who steer the group cringe at just the mention of a furry convention in this state. Which I don't totally understand but thems the facts.
3) I've never been to a furry con.
It's like a anime con, except for with an anime con everyone is a fan of the anime, where as with a furry con everyone is a fan of eachother. I'd tell you about the programming at a furry con except with as many as I've been to I've never really gone to many of the panels. The panels I've been to have ranged from RC Helicopters to poker to anthropomorphic art. There's also usually a panel on fursuit construction, but given that only about 10% of furries own fursuits, it's not really a proper represention of what furry is all about…
regarding number 2, i've noticed that..and don't understand at all why the furs who steer the group DON'T want a furry con…lame
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4:10 pm October 11, 2010
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If you want a con so badly, Pepper, why don't you start one? We can call it PepperCon.
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5:13 pm October 11, 2010
| Pepper
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Grunge said:
If you want a con so badly, Pepper, why don't you start one? We can call it PepperCon.
don't have the resources to start one.
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9:19 pm October 11, 2010
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And who do you think around here has the resources, including time and money? Anyone?
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9:23 pm October 11, 2010
| Pepper
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Grunge said:
And who do you think around here has the resources, including time and money? Anyone?
no idea, but there are a lot of higher-ups in the group that staff at cons etc etc and a lot of people who live here go to MFF and AC, so I don't see why someone won't start one, other than the money issue, that is.
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6:08 pm October 12, 2010
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They staff and/or attend. That is definitely not the same as chairing a con. Staffing a con also means they have even less of the comodity time. The reason people go to MFF and AC instead of starting a con of their own is because those cons are well established. The travel is actually worthwhile. There's the bottom line: There is too little interest, time, and money.
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6:25 pm October 12, 2010
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The interest is here, but the time and money at the current is the big deal. You can't just say "I want to do a convention!" Hotels cost thousands of dollars for convention rates.
I think a con in MN is possible and will happen someday. But today is most certanily NOT that day. For now, were focusing on just getting this group a little bit more organized. Ultimately that is a step in the right direction…
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6:29 pm October 12, 2010
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Grunge said:
If you want a con so badly, Pepper, why don't you start one? We can call it PepperCon.
really dude, ya dont need to be an jack- ass about it.
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2:33 am October 13, 2010
| Donovan
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Grunge said:
And who do you think around here has the resources, including time and money? Anyone?
[raises paw] Gaylaxicon is essentially offering y'all the opportunity to create your own con without any financial risk, except for everyone's registration fee. I know it's not a proper con, but it's a start and I'm sure we can be accomodating if the 3-5 panel thing won't cut it. And really, what's a "panel" if not your own scheduled hotel space to do whatever you want in? There's also no reason you couldn't carve your own niche in the art room, vendor space, gaming room, etc as well. It just needs to be planned.
I'm subscribed to this thread so if you change your mind or want to meet at any time over the next several months, just post.
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4:24 am October 13, 2010
| Pepper
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Donovan said:
Grunge said:
And who do you think around here has the resources, including time and money? Anyone?
[raises paw] Gaylaxicon is essentially offering y'all the opportunity to create your own con without any financial risk, except for everyone's registration fee. I know it's not a proper con, but it's a start and I'm sure we can be accomodating if the 3-5 panel thing won't cut it. And really, what's a "panel" if not your own scheduled hotel space to do whatever you want in? There's also no reason you couldn't carve your own niche in the art room, vendor space, gaming room, etc as well. It just needs to be planned.
I'm subscribed to this thread so if you change your mind or want to meet at any time over the next several months, just post.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…..bye bye naow.
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10:43 am October 13, 2010
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Pepper said:
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…..bye bye naow.
Oye, where's a muzzle when you need one.
Being more tactful, Gaylaxicon just isn't a good fit for starting a fur con.
- The policy regarding minors would exclude most of the furs who would benifit the most from a local con.
- The fact that the con doesn't occur here every year means it is an end as much as a start.
The programming itself is hit or miss, based on the last stuff I could access. Some of it would be of interest to furs, but there is also a good portion that wouldn't be of interest. I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for a con that they are only partly interested in. In fact, I think those who would be interested are already going. (I remember someone posting about it on the old forums.)
We have some ideas floating around for a local con. We can address most of the issues, but we are just lacking the organization right now. Thanks, but we probably don't need the resources you are offering. We just need to get the right people talking to eachother.
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1:01 am October 14, 2010
| Donovan
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Cybergarou said:
The policy regarding minors would exclude most of the furs who would benifit the most from a local con.
Just one correction: there may be an occasional cash bar coordinated through the hotel, but the convention itself does not serve alcohol. Therefore there are no age restrictions, no carding (by us), and no policy regarding minors whatsoever.
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1:03 am October 14, 2010
| Pepper
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Cybergarou said:
Pepper said:
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…..bye bye naow.
Oye, where's a muzzle when you need one.
Being more tactful, Gaylaxicon just isn't a good fit for starting a fur con.
- The policy regarding minors would exclude most of the furs who would benifit the most from a local con.
- The fact that the con doesn't occur here every year means it is an end as much as a start.
The programming itself is hit or miss, based on the last stuff I could access. Some of it would be of interest to furs, but there is also a good portion that wouldn't be of interest. I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for a con that they are only partly interested in. In fact, I think those who would be interested are already going. (I remember someone posting about it on the old forums.)
We have some ideas floating around for a local con. We can address most of the issues, but we are just lacking the organization right now. Thanks, but we probably don't need the resources you are offering. We just need to get the right people talking to eachother.
where's a muzzle when you need one? I'm not the one posting stuff that just happens to sound like a 50's salesman wrote it -_-. thank ya very much humf
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1:15 am October 14, 2010
| Donovan
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Pepper said:
where's a muzzle when you need one? I'm not the one posting stuff that just happens to sound like a 50's salesman wrote it -_-. thank ya very much humf
Heh, I guess I laid it on a bit thick. The idea has been rolling around in my head for too long.
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