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2:46 am
January 3, 2012
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Skystrider
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Post edited 2:49 am – January 3, 2012 by Skystrider
http://www.dailymotion.com/vid…..shortfilms
Ok so Monday Nat Geo did a segment on furries in their show "taboo".
My take:
While I appreciate how they didnt come after furry as a sexual or fetish fandom, calling it taboo is a bit offensive to me, and their statistic near the end saying up to 85% of furries think they arent entirely human, a clear exaggeration, or perhaps I say this since my personal belief is in a spiritual connection to my fursona.
However they made furry come off as really strange, considering they put it in the same episode as a person wanting to become a paraplegic and people with multiple spouses who dont mind them having multiple partners.
Ive read quite a bit on the web about this and appearently Taboo wants to go to AC and have a press pass to it, but there probably already too late for that time wise to get one for AC 2012.
All and all id say im offended by this, not terribly as they didnt make us look as bad as say CSI or Tira Banks did, but hopefully this drives home the importance for furs to avoid taking part in TV shows or have anything to do with Media.
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7:22 am
January 3, 2012
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argouru
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They should've interviewed more people. The second guy said almost nothing at all and one man's opinion isn't enough to go on.
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o/~ "I'm sure my critics will say it's a grotesque display, well they can bite me Baby, I perform this way!-" o/~
"It's your nightmare! You know what I mean by nightmare? It's a place where goodness shines with a light that burns with evil!" (Bo-bobo from Bo-Bobo Bo-bo-bobo)
"There's no place like-I wanna be a witch!" (Leela from Futurama)
"Mark doesn't want you, because you're mean and evil. He wants me because I'm nice and sweet and pure. SO FUCK OFF!!!" best line from the movie 'Once Bitten'
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9:46 am
January 3, 2012
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mouring
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*shrug* Nothing was that far out of whack with the video. It was lighthearted and playful compared to some of the material I've seen in the past.
At least it isn't a sofa eating fur show…
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10:20 am
January 3, 2012
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Cencewolf
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It never ceases to amaze me,
I think we can all agree, none of us are at all happy with the way certain programs (infact most programs to date) choose to portray our unique culture, In the face of which i have identified a few truths that i certainly dont mind sharing, or if the situation is appropriate…exploiting.
As a youngling, i always thought it would be neat, to be pursued or wanted by the media. To have others take an interest in my positions or involvements. and ultimately to garner a degree of respect from a fair minded public. after a few said exploits…(the vast majority of which i will remind you had nothing at all to do with my involvement with this community) i can reveal these truths as a matter of experience as opposed to opinion. They are as follows;
1) The media, Sitcoms, News, telivision exist for the purpose of making money. They are afterall a business. To make money, (obviously more important to these networks including Nat-Geo than investigative integrity) they are forced to compete for "Ratings". What do you think is going to get higher ratings. A fair representation of said culture, or an objective representation? (the stranger they can make us look, the higher their ratings. simple.
2) The public is far from "Fair Minded". Harboring an attention span of not more than 12 minutes the average Yokel cant tie his shoes unless provided with a dramatic reason to do so. This quite simply is how such shows as "Jerry Springer" "Jersey Shore" and every soap-opera ever got so damn popular. The same people who enjoys these programs are the same ones we are essentially trusting to be fair in their judgement. (it simply isnt going to happen).
3) Sky stated: " but hopefully this drives home the importance for furs to avoid taking part in TV shows or have anything to do with Media". in itself, this might be more detrimental. The more something is concealed, classified, or selective the more "assumptions" will be made about it. and there is no end to the level of irrationality that will come about in this way. Example- Area 51? certainly they have their reasons for being secretive. (and i dont know what goes on behind those doors, and dont need to) likely weapons design/testing or intelligence gathering/storage in all reality) yet people will choose to believe that the government is harboring freeking aliens. go figure.
After having pointed out these observations i would submit that the better response for our "culture" is not to avoid media attention but rather to elect representatives that are able to conduct an interview without leaving loose ends or generalized statements that could be manipulated or mis-interpreted, and with the assumption that the majority will try to do just that.
ah-hem.. and yes.. if Nat-Geo or "Taboo" want to get into Anthrocon 2012 they need only bring 40 dollars to the door or pre-reg) LOL.
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5:50 pm
January 3, 2012
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J Fox
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All signs point to agree with Cence…
Kudos you gray bastard
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2:47 am
January 4, 2012
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Procyon
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I also agree with Cence in almost every respect.
Chief among them is point #3. And this is a life lesson to all
Engagement is almost always better than disengagement.
The idea that you can leave something alone and it will get better is rarely true. The best you can hope for is to get ignored. Ignoring a social group rarely promotes it acceptance, history teaches us this.
What does need to happen is positive profile in the public theater. Controlled exposure where l monitor the perception, answer the speculation, dismiss the hearsay, and actually explain context.
I really got a good perspective of this seeing the way the Furs who participated in Zoo Boo got exposure. It was very positive. The suiters had at least a few seconds of our more exotic fursuiters given candy in a positive context. Having worked with media, understand the cameraman shoot several minutes of footage, then this get edited. The news station editor decided on 2 things where to be in those pictures: 1) of all the footage fursuiters had at least 50% of the camera time and 2) focused that kids interacting with them and were really enjoying it.
This may seem minor but the effect is likly to have is significant.
Prior to watching this bit from Zoo Boo I was not that interested in parades or events like this, but now I'm convinced it is to the groups benefit.
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7:27 am
January 4, 2012
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Kurst Hyperyote
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Without seeing the whole episode of Taboo (the hulu 3 minute link is not the full segment) "it could be better, it could be worse" is what I thought. It is part of an episode called "Secret Lives" (Season 8 – Episode 1). I could go into the clip from an analysis media view but it's not going to help.
What I can say is watching the clip you have to realize that when a show like Taboo, G4 TV, Howard Stern etc is coming out they usually have an idea they want to do and their main purpose is to entertain. With all the best intentions you can do you are not going to majorly change what they are trying to film.
When I was watching the clips I was thinking more about the people in the video. When a person is up in front in center in any media about any fandom not only they are representing the fandom to the world for that moment but for time after they are going to be judged by the community for what and how they said it. The people in the video for the next few years will be viewed as "the ones on Taboo" in the community. Most people, even very smart people don't realize that until after it broadcast and no matter how good or what they will say they will get negative marks by the community.
It takes a lot to talk to the media and be comfortable with what you said after it broadcasts.
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG *RUNS AROUND AFTER MY OWN TAIL* OMG IT'S A TAIL!
Kurst "YipYap" Hyperyote — Website — FA Page
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9:48 am
January 4, 2012
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SikeRedWolf
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So I watched this video last night and I've mulled it over. Heres how I feel about it. Again with Kurst "It could be better, It could be Worse". However, I think this is slowing going over in the right direction. Something we've seen the media do in the past, is put a direct spotlight on the small minority of the fandom that digs into the more sexual aspects of being a furry. Theres of course, been large outcry's from the community and to a degree it's understandable, as again, that is a minority yet we're all being label as 'sexual deviants' because of those in the media light.
However, Taboo did not focus on anyway the sexual parts of the fandom in this clip. It was simply taboo because "They dress up. As adults, this is something they should have grown out of as children". Obviously, this clip and that quote is directed at fursuiters, and not just furries. And to a degree, I do agree. I think cosplay and fursuiting is kinda 'kiddish' in a way. Its a big game of dress up and to a lot of people thats how they view it. However, I cannot stress this point enough, I believe in doing what makes me, and thus others should do to themselves what makes them, happy. So if I enjoy being my fursona, and going out and having fun, I don't see the issue with that.
Now then, to go into the actual act of these furs going into the spotlight themselves. I give them a lot of credit for that, and not just for getting up infront of media, but understanding what they can potential damage their own reputation and their homes. When I think about Humanimals a few years back, Snap took a large risk by putting himself on the media and expressing his furridom to the crews. There was a lot cut out, and yet I feel he still displayed himself well. Seeing people that are able to do this is what is pushing the positive focus on furriness. This may sound strange but I feel that going from "Sexual Deviants " to "Childish behaviour' is a bit of a step up. Is it great? No I don't think it is and I think people need to learn to step out of their sheltered little bubbles. However, I'd rather be known as childish.
Everytime I do a panel, I have to roll with the punches and understand that I WILL be attacked. Not that it may or may not. By going into it with this mind set, when someone cracks an inappropriate joke, or tries to attack me whether indirect or not, I am able to respond in a manner that will quickly get them to settle and understand a bit more. My goal is not to make everyone understand why I'm a furry or what a furry is. Lord knows I don't have the time for that. However, if I can help those to understand and a see a shed of the light I do of the community, I feel I've done well. And I think that these furs in this clip did just that. They held themselves well. Expressing "Well I'm going for my PhD" is a good way to show this isn't just for lower class people or something. It's going to affect everyone, various genders, races, intelligence ect.
Over all? Again, Could be better could be worse. Not the best bit of what furry is about, however, it's not a terrible piece. Obviously they mixed up references between therians and otherkin with furries, but who went and corrected them before airing? So is it taboo? Well, from a social point, it still is so yes. Then again so is D&D, so is cosplay, so are those that are adults but play video games. And you know what? So what. Anyone that saw that can do their own research into the fandom. Is it as weird as a woman wanting to be a paraplegic ? heck no.
As for their wanting to go to AC2012? I'm pretty sure they won't be let in, def. not as reporters and stuff, unless very carefully watched and maintained. I think the interviews and whats said would be selected by the staff, and careful answers would be given. Maybe a chance to record the parade. However, thats up to staff. And if they want in, theyll get in one way or the other. The thing to remember is that while we're 'secretive' about our group for 'our own protection' in a way, it does damage us. People want to know what they're not allowed to know and if they aren't then the lies and slander starts. So it'll be interesting where this goes.
All in all, I'm not that offended. It's tv, and I get that. It's far from the worst bit of media coverage, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Rather than having furries hide from the media, I think getting them to understand whats appropriate to talk about or not, and how to handle themselves infront of a camera is much more important.
/large wall o' text.
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11:57 am
January 4, 2012
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Aerak
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To elaborate on what Flip said about ZooBoo, Kurst and I have been doing it for 3 years and it's always a positive experience. I've never been approached their with someone who had a negative view of us. The director of ZooBoo this year asked me if we were furries and she had nothing negative to say. These TV shows that come out and portray furry in a negative light – they are all rather short term – talked about one week and forgotten the next. As Flip said, avoiding the media isn't the answer. The answer, I believe, is doing events like ZooBoo that positively portray what furry is all about.
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2:19 pm
January 4, 2012
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Cencewolf
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perfect-
I can both appreciate the response, and the intent to do whats benificial in regards to future endeavors as it relates to the media (i also agree with both). How ever.. (sly wolf grin) it does beg the question that if we want to portray what furry is all about… then what is furry all about?
through a sampling of texts i observed on these boards alone, (and i wont rephrase, quote or bog down this interesting discussion doing so) "what furry is all about", seems to vary to some degree with each and every participant. (( blah blah blah that discussion in itself is huge, but i think we can all agree most of us would find descrepancies from every individual in regards to how we personally would like it portrayed))
I know for example, i certainly am no saint. I dont pretend to be. I know part of my interests and fascinations are both adult and deviant. I point this out simply to illustrate that while i dont mind being labeled as such, others certainly would. the other face of the same coin is that i wouldnt be particularily happy to denounce adult activities and disclude it as "shameful". so while we want to "portray what furry is all about" this is part of it. (and not just by my hand) but seemingly lots of "participants". I would also comment (before anyone goes irrational) that no, i do not think this would be the appropriate part of this fandom to put front and center. Especially considering the vast diversity in regards to beliefs, and age.
Mr. Kurst Hyperyote made an interesting point. He affirmed that the media has an agenda even prior to interview, but cared more for the image of the "fur" being interviewed. true the media is not fair, and many fall trap to public perception after rendering their own opinion regardless of how it comes out. I know that i do not have any interest in giving anyone an interview in regards to this group/culture/fandom. I knowingly can admit i am NOT the right one to render an image of the group at large so i will refrain from doing so. however when i have done interviews in the past (un-related topics) i have always followed these guidelines.
1) interview them first– Nothing wrong with telling the reporter exactly what your intentions are and how YOU hope to portray the subject. If they are unwilling to assist you in doing that, then you certainly shouldnt have any qualms about walking away.
2) get a script– you certainly can request a copy of the questions they intend to ask you before any "taping" is done. This will help you orchestrate an appropriate response and leave out all the "ummmmm… uhhhhhhh… and DOH's".
3) speak firstly to satisfy your own interests. (it is afterall your opinions that are being asked) You should be happy with your interview primarily, as opposed to worrying about how others will view your statements. (but do be prepared to maintain your principles, as i find those are the first thing attacked)
(shrug) i dont think its really a rant. but it was fun.. /salute
Besides, Syke had a longer post! —->> Points finger at!
-Cence
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2:39 pm
January 4, 2012
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SikeRedWolf
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D= Sorry! I get into rant wall posting and it just goes >.< But I do agree that if you are approached to being interviewed or even doing something where you'll be asked questions, try to get what you want to cover settled in yourself. Thats why when I do panels, I do Power points. It keeps me on track, and gives me somewhere to go back to if Im side tracked, that way, I can't get lost or 'caught' in a trap. (so to speak. Kinda couldn't resist the StarFox reference)
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2:34 am
January 5, 2012
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Procyon
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I suggest this issue be brought up at the Jan 7th Perkins meeting/strategy session/whatever you want to call it. I hope most will be pleasantly surprised that this issue has been discussed by steering group and at least a collection of ideas and plans have been put forth. However, refinement and implementation are still needed to be done so please, bring this up at that meeting.
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10:40 am
January 5, 2012
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Cencewolf
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will be working.. meeting will be.. (ah-hem) Cenceless.
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12:21 pm
January 5, 2012
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argouru
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Cencewolf said:
will be working.. meeting will be.. (ah-hem) Cenceless.
That was horrible. :P I thought my jokes were bad, lol!
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o/~ "I'm sure my critics will say it's a grotesque display, well they can bite me Baby, I perform this way!-" o/~
"It's your nightmare! You know what I mean by nightmare? It's a place where goodness shines with a light that burns with evil!" (Bo-bobo from Bo-Bobo Bo-bo-bobo)
"There's no place like-I wanna be a witch!" (Leela from Futurama)
"Mark doesn't want you, because you're mean and evil. He wants me because I'm nice and sweet and pure. SO FUCK OFF!!!" best line from the movie 'Once Bitten'
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9:12 pm
January 5, 2012
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Procyon
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I'll try to convey them as best I can Cence
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4:52 pm
January 6, 2012
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Aerak
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Post edited 4:54 pm – January 6, 2012 by Aerak
Cencewolf said:
will be working.. meeting will be.. (ah-hem) Cenceless.
Off topic here but you've been away from the meets a very long time. When will we be seeing you again?
And back on topic: The meeting will be Cenceless with or without you. Everyone knows, furries rarely make any sense. On a serious note though, yes, we'll definitely make sure to convey everything. =)
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5:53 pm
January 6, 2012
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Cencewolf
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*smirks*
well i have to say i am humbled that my absence has not gone un-noticed. It certainly has not been my intent to fail to appear (making the events with this group might be one of the only social things i still look forward to), sadly.. my many jobs/commitments have garnished what free-time i used to enjoy and shaved it down to literally nothing. (this to the point that i have built up a frustration with said employment that sooner or later i will likely discharge into all the right administrative offices).
I do miss my bi-weekly meets, and the impromptu events that soon-follow, caribou meets, the entailing Apple-bees for a beer or two, and the occasional poker game. (dare i mention any MNFur sponsored events that not even my employment could keep me from if it came down to it). and this lack of participation is probably why i have been pounding these boards like an over-anxious teenager.
when will i return to a more proper schedule?, hard to say. every other week i look forward to making the meet, and every time without fail, another disappointing end to my evening plans. I do hope that soon, things will become more predictable, and i can be seen once again enjoying the company i do care to keep.
also worth noting, i do appreciate staying informed and will continue to follow at what length i am able. hopefully soon i can resume a more active role, (totally could use a vacation anyhow lol)
-Cence
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1:01 am
January 9, 2012
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Post edited 6:42 pm – January 16, 2012 by ThePoetryNinja
To go off of what Sike said about fursuiting and cosplay, even though I'm sure someone here has already said something about it.
I am an actor and a cosplayer. As being apart of the job for acting, I am required pretty much on a daily basis, (when I'm in a show) to dress up. When I'm not in a show, play, skit, or short scene I make up for it doing cosplay. When I here that "this show is portraying dressing up to be sort of a kid thing", I simply have to just scratch my head and think, "Is there something wrong with playing a part?"
As of right now, I am taking classes at college that will help me receive an Associates degree in Theater arts, and every class I've been to, the instructors have said, when acting or doing theater, it's like learning how to play again. Because so many of us grow out of our childhood to the point where we forget how to be a kid. That's where acting comes into play. It's supposed to teach you how to play.
I wanted to watch the episode, but never got the chance. But even without watching it, the simple fact of hearing not just Sike, but other fellow furs say this kind of stuff, is just kind of interesting to me.
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"Good, better, best. Never let it rest. Till your good is better, and your better is the best."
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8:32 pm
January 14, 2012
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coolfurriedude
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i dont feel completly human, i dream intermittently from a wolfs perspective, i have many wolfly charestics, but i dont feel i am the majority.
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3:39 pm
January 16, 2012
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Aerak
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coolfurriedude said:
i dont feel completly human, i dream intermittently from a wolfs perspective, i have many wolfly charestics, but i dont feel i am the majority.
Reminds me of the wargs from GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire saga.
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