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I resigned from the MNFurs Volunteer Department yesterday. This was something that the MNFurs Board knew was coming well ahead of time. I waited to do so until I found a replacement I trusted could handle the department, that person being Streaks. I left with the understanding he would be confirmed by the board as the next head of the department (now I realize I’m the fool because it was just their passing verbal agreement, nothing they couldn’t change their minds about like they’ve now done). The board has decided instead to grant themselves that power for at least the next two months, until the board retreat the end of February. Board members Ridayah and Aerak are in control of the department. The board now holds the key for who is eligible to be on the board.
They plan to completely overhaul the department and will be “retroactively changing the way volunteer hours are given out” just weeks before the board election. I agree the department could use revisions but they’ve decided to wait until I stepped away and they’ve taken control to do so. They have had vague plans to revise the the department for most of the past year but have never shared any of them with me even when I asked, usually saying they’d have more later.
I don’t know what I hope to accomplish with this post other than the update needs to be shared with the group. The board has been completely opaque and cut off since its inception over a year ago and I worry if I don’t share this no one will know. I know the people of the board and trust their hearts are in the right place but their actions have done little to affirm that trust. If it was not such a cloistered group that give updates so rarely, and vaguely when finally given, I would not find this an appropriate measure. As it stands public pressure is the only thing that will keep them accountable.
Has there ever been? Only thing I’ve heard in terms of volunteers and voting have been:– About 12 people have voting rights
– A few have “obscene number of hours” (never clarified with the person what “obscene means” so grain of salt comment).
– Questions if volunteers dept was following the recommendations for hour scale by the board.
– Board was concerned with low amount of voters, and they was investigating why.Mind you this is all 3rd/4th hand; so absolutely no clue if any of these comments were true. They are only what have passed by my desk, and I’d consider myself barely connected to the community in terms of gossip.
After talking with Ridayah a lot of my worries have been assuaged. As I said in the first post I know they have the best intentions, it just hadn’t been coming through.It’s a bother that it took this long for the conversation to happen but that lack of communication is where most of this issue came from. It wasn’t them trying to take control but from thinking I had resigned two months ago. It’s a staggering miscommunication but life happens.
I’m leaving the first post up unaltered because the lesson at the core of it is still valid. The board needs to be more open and communicative.
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To address the things you said Mouring there are kernels of truth to those concerns listed but most of them are also from lack of communication. Any of those could have been explained in 20 seconds if I’d been asked.
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Zepaw. Reason: added Mouring response
“retroactively changing the way volunteer hours are given out”
I do not know what this actually means nor what to do about that information. If something is or is not looking to change i have no idea who benefits from it.. So I will speak my opinion openly and not directed at anyone:
If only a small handful of people have voting hours and that this is per the rules originally implemented, then this is just a fact of design and needs to be respected. I remember that there were three or four tiers that set standard how many hours were gathered and that a magic number (20?) was picked. If only 12 people have voting rights then that is what needs to be enforced.
But again unless I see the fully documented hours and hear both sides of the story I reserve my right not to care. And yes I’m really trying to stay out of this stuff.
I’ll be speaking about this tomorrow at the Community Forum meeting, but I’ll say a few words here as well.We had originally, as Twisted mentioned, set up a tiered system for events; 3 tiers to be exact – and these tiers represented how much work an event would take by organizers to set up, whether or not it needed funding, if it was a stand alone event, etc. In short, the scope of an event. Volunteers would get 1 hour for Stage 3 Events, 2 hours for Stage 2 Events, and 3 Hours for Stage 1 Events. A Stage 3 event for instance would be something like a movie night or Sushi Meet – something not taking too much work to set up, where-as a stage 1 event would be something like a MNFurs picnic or hotel meet which would obviously take more work and more resources.
In concern to volunteer hours, we were running into an issue where very few people were having enough hours to vote. Without going into too many specifics, I will say that the majority of people with 20+ hours were fursuiters. In many cases, people who were fursuiting for events such as ZooBoo or the PetCo Fundraiser, were getting 1:1 hours – meaning that for every hour they put into volunteering, that’s what they were credited. If we followed the tier system mentioned above, this should not have been occurring. This puts us in an interesting situation. We could go back retroactively and take hours from those people, but that does not seem very fair. On paper it is, but there’s something that just doesn’t sit right with me, ripping hours away from someone when they are hours that the person believed they earned. Not to mention that in doing so, we are only left with a few people who are able to vote, and that’s no way to hold an election, unless you are a country in northern region of the Korean Peninsula , in which case it seems PERFECTLY FAIR. </sarcasm>
The truth is, this is a learning experience for everyone involved. The tiered system originally sounded like a good idea. In theory, it made sense. But once put into practice, and looking back over the past year, we see the flaws in it. Effort is effort – why should the care given by one person be worth 3 hours while another person who cares about volunteering their time just as much as the first, only receives 1 hour when they are both putting in the same amount of time. The Board has decided that this is wrong – that we were wrong when we first decided on this.
To wrap this story up, because my boyfriend wants dinner and I’m getting pretty hungry myself, the decision was made at the last board meeting to get rid of the tier system for figuring out volunteer hours. We are getting in our time machine and fixing things. Lets say you gave two hours of your time every month, at the community forum meeting for instance. You got up and drove across town, possibly in below zero weather, and you came to this meeting. You risked life and limb to be there – to be a part of what is going on. The tiered volunteer system only gave you 1 volunteer hour for each one of these meetings you attended. Well, now you have 2 hours each time – you have exactly the time you have given. And we are doing this for all the events now, for everything that has been and everything that is to come.
If anyone has anything they want to add, whether in favor of this change or against it, please come to the community forum and if you are unable to make it and want to contact someone directly, feel free to email the board at [email protected]
Thank you Aerak for the informative post and I look forward to hearing more about this tomorrow. I’d like to make clear though that I knew nothing about this tiered system except a couple passing mentions by you and Ridayah long ago that you were designing it. You seem to be under the notion it was policy all along without actually telling me so and/or giving me a breakdown of the plans. The couple times I asked about it I was told it was still being worked out and I’d know more when the board had more.You won’t have to do much revising of the hours because Community Forums aside almost every time someone volunteered they received a 1:1 ratio, that’s the policy I’ve been working with since day one. Comm forums received one as that’s the thing I got a set number about from the board (that and 3 hours for an art donation).
The system is in the volunteer department charter, under the section labeled, “volunteer credit”. With how it is written, the layout of the document, it is very hard to find. It took me a couple of read throughs to find it myself. Anyway, I don’t find fault with anyone in particular. If anything the fault is with the Board and we should have given your department more support and checked in more regularly.I think everything will be okay moving forward. As you stated earlier, I think lack of communication is a big thing here. We already have plans to that end, some of which Ridayah discussed with you at this past furmeet. We will try to elaborate more and get feedback for things to come tomorrow at the community forum meeting.
I look forward to reading the minutes on the meeting tomorrow. Please make them available ASAP. You did a good job with the department zepaw *hugs*. Sad to see you step down.I think part of the problem too was that people were under the assumption if they went to some events they got hours given (like the picnics) just for being there. I know I had reached my hours for voting, but was actually a little shocked at honestly how low it was, compared to what I had figured on my own (using 1:1 as I had also assumed that was the case). I realized that a lot of the times where I’d done work (Like helping clean up at picnics DURING the picnic, assisting people ‘off the record’ ) was just that. Off the record. I’m not the type of person thats going to sign up in advance for ‘extra’ work when honestly, its hard for me to even say if/when I’m going to an event AND then actually be able to show up for it. But people know I’ve done a lot of work for the group in terms of helping out (especially when asked. ). I set up the Mnfurs tinychat so other members could go to meetings when they couldnt physically be there.At the end of the day, I think there is miscommunication, but I think as well as failure of communication. Theres a lot that normal members, like myself, just don’t know. And its difficult to make that information known (Even a google doc sheet with fursona names and hours earned would be nice to keep track of how many we have ourselves). The thing is, this is still a learning process. The boards been around for a year (ish). Theres still gonna be kinks and bumpy rides, cause thats how every group with formal boards are. Its going to take time to learn mistakes and even longer to learn from those mistakes. All we can do is wait and see how it plays out.
Either way, it was good to bring it up and I think its good to voice concerns. Yay communication.
Wut o.o
Im Sike AND Banana
Sike two points. First is at no point has it ever been said simply attending an event gets a member hours. That takes the volunteering part out of volunteering. I genuinely can’t imagine where people got that assumption but its simply wrong.Secondly I’d love to always have been able to credit people for helping out in little ways here or there but it’s impractical for me (or anyone) to be able to account for every little minute. If someone helps out for 10 minutes here or there it’s just a passing bit of help. We’re all thankful for it but it would be an endless task to manage everything down to the minute. My process was always to work in hours. I rounded up when it wasn’t a neat number so you can be sure people got the benefit of the doubt when there was a question of how much time a person had given. I know there are certainly times when people helped out throughout an event by their own volition but if I didn’t see it or wasn’t told how could it be recorded?
Sike two points. First is at no point has it ever been said simply attending an event gets a member hours. That takes the volunteering part out of volunteering. I genuinely can’t imagine where people got that assumption but its simply wrong.
Actually I can tell you where this came from. In an VERY VERY VERY early public discussion when the concept of hours was rolled out there was push back that 20 hours was “too many and no one would be able to do it.” And someone floated (I believe I know whom, but will not stated as I’m not sure I have it 100% right as what he/she stated) the concept that the volunteer hour measurement can be anything the Board wishes. If they wished to credit people with an hour for coming to a picnic or major event then they could; as participating is just as important as volunteering.
Since no one clarified finalized volunteer hours; I suspect this became a “true” to some.
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This reply was modified 12 years, 5 months ago by
Mouring.
Like I stated this wasnt to point that anyone did anything wrong, simply that as a person who even made the hours, I had to no idea what was qualifying and what wasn’t. Theres never been a sheet that stated this is what x gets you y. A lot of it came down to assumption and rumors. As a person that spends pretty much 9 of 12 months out of the state, its not something I generally am around to hear about, unless its posted.I honestly don’t remember where I ‘heard’ the thing of the attendance was the hours. At the end of the day its what I personally assumed, and I was wrong. I’m not ashamed in that, but it proves that members don’t know what they’re getting in terms of hours. Like I said, it seems as though theres been Miscommunication, and also lack of communication down the vines.
However, Like I also said, its a learning curve right now. Now I know =b I’m a person thats not here, but was able to make hours, that means it is possible if people really wanted them. But theres going to be heavy favoritism for fursuiters since a lot of the ‘big’ hour’d events are those (Petco events, Zoo Boo, Parades, Detour) Its doable, but people have to do them.
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Sike.
Wut o.o
Im Sike AND Banana
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